{"id":47284,"date":"2022-06-04T10:32:14","date_gmt":"2022-06-04T08:32:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/?p=47284"},"modified":"2022-06-04T09:44:07","modified_gmt":"2022-06-04T07:44:07","slug":"leveque-de-toulouse-interdit-a-ses-seminaristes-de-porter-la-soutane","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/2022\/06\/04\/leveque-de-toulouse-interdit-a-ses-seminaristes-de-porter-la-soutane\/","title":{"rendered":"L\u2019\u00e9v\u00eaque de Toulouse interdit \u00e0 ses s\u00e9minaristes de porter la soutane; 3 juin 2022."},"content":{"rendered":"<section class=\"content-page__text content-page__text--summary\">\n<div class=\"summary-body\">\n<div id=\"attachment_47290\" style=\"width: 230px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-47290\" class=\"wp-image-47290 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/Capture-de\u0301cran-2022-06-03-a\u0300-09.48.19-220x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"220\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/Capture-de\u0301cran-2022-06-03-a\u0300-09.48.19-220x300.png 220w, https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/Capture-de\u0301cran-2022-06-03-a\u0300-09.48.19-750x1024.png 750w, https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/Capture-de\u0301cran-2022-06-03-a\u0300-09.48.19-768x1049.png 768w, https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/Capture-de\u0301cran-2022-06-03-a\u0300-09.48.19-1125x1536.png 1125w, https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/Capture-de\u0301cran-2022-06-03-a\u0300-09.48.19-624x852.png 624w, https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/Capture-de\u0301cran-2022-06-03-a\u0300-09.48.19.png 1226w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 220px) 100vw, 220px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-47290\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">https:\/\/www.laliberte.ch\/news\/chroniques\/la-der-la-chronique\/mon-dieu-voila-un-cure-en-soutane&#8211;378462<\/span><\/p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">D\u00e9cid\u00e9ment, il semble que L\u00e9on Gambetta soit devenu le ma\u00eetre \u00e0 penser d\u2019une partie de la hi\u00e9rarchie catholique, et d\u2019une bonne partie du clerg\u00e9 fran\u00e7ais, car la lettre adress\u00e9e par Mgr Guy de Kerimel, archev\u00eaque de Toulouse, aux s\u00e9minaristes du dioc\u00e8se pourrait porter comme titre\u00a0: \u00ab\u00a0<em>Le cl\u00e9ricalisme, voil\u00e0 l\u2019ennemi\u00a0!\u00a0\u00bb<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">Cette apostrophe lanc\u00e9e aux d\u00e9put\u00e9s de la <\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">droite monarchiste, visait <\/span><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">l\u2019Eglise catholique.<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> L\u2019archev\u00eaque de Toulouse ne<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">d\u00e9mentirait pas cette devise , du moins ,<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">\u00a0c\u2019est ce que sa lettre laisse penser et transpara\u00eetre.<\/span><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">Il y <\/span><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">explique aux <\/span><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">s\u00e9minaristes qu\u2019il se questionne \u00ab\u00a0face \u00e0 quelques-uns<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> d\u2019entre vous en soutane et surplis\u00a0\u00bb [durant une c\u00e9r\u00e9monie de<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">confirmation], et, ajoute-t-il, \u00ab je ne souhaite pas que les s\u00e9minaristes<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> s\u2019affichent de mani\u00e8re trop cl\u00e9ricale\u00a0\u00bb.<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">Car, \u00ab\u00a0<em>ces futurs clercs install\u00e9s dans des stalles, loin des fid\u00e8les (sans<\/em><\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><em><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">\u00eatre en service), donnaient une image tr\u00e8s cl\u00e9ricale et pas ajust\u00e9e \u00e0<\/span><\/em><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"><em> votre situation de s\u00e9minaristes qui restent des fid\u00e8les la\u00efcs<\/em>\u00a0\u00bb.<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> Techniquement, ou canoniquement, selon le nouveau Code de droit<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> canonique, c\u2019est vrai, puisque la cl\u00e9ricature n\u2019est aujourd\u2019hui acquise<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> qu\u2019avec le diaconat.\u00a0<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">Mais historiquement, spirituellement et selon la tradition de l\u2019Eglise, les<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> s\u00e9minaristes sont consid\u00e9r\u00e9s comme devant se d\u00e9vouer totalement au<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> service de Dieu d\u00e8s les premiers moments de leur formation de<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> s\u00e9minariste. La cl\u00e9ricature \u00e9tait d\u2019ailleurs donn\u00e9e par l\u2019Eglise au cours<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> de la c\u00e9r\u00e9monie de la tonsure, qui se pratique encore avec<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> l\u2019autorisation de Rome.<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">Ce d\u00e9vouement et la s\u00e9paration du monde qu\u2019il implique, est<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> sp\u00e9cialement marqu\u00e9e par l\u2019habit cl\u00e9rical, qui est la soutane depuis<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> plusieurs si\u00e8cles. Elle marque \u00e9galement le d\u00e9tachement de toutes<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> choses et la cons\u00e9cration \u00e0 Dieu, tout comme l\u2019habit religieux et la<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> tonsure monacale.<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">Mais tout cela est d\u00e9pass\u00e9 et bon \u00e0 jeter aux orties. Le futur pr\u00eatre doit<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> surtout bien comprendre que l\u2019autorit\u00e9 li\u00e9e au sacerdoce est du<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> cl\u00e9ricalisme, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire un abus, et doit chercher \u00e0 s\u2019en pr\u00e9server<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> comme d\u2019une peste.<\/span><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">Vient ensuite l\u2019injonction\u00a0: \u00ab\u00a0<em>le port de la soutane n\u2019est pas permis au s\u00e9minaire\u00a0; c\u2019est la loi en vigueur. Je demande donc que cette loi s\u2019applique hors du s\u00e9minaire dans le dioc\u00e8se de Toulouse, y compris pour les diacres.\u00a0<\/em>\u00bb<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">Car pour<\/span><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">, Mgr de Kerimel, le port de soutane revient \u00e0 \u00ab <em>chercher \u00e0 entrer dans un personnage\u00a0<\/em>\u00bb ou bien encore \u00e0 \u00ab\u00a0<em>afficher une identit\u00e9 tr\u00e8s marqu\u00e9e\u00a0<\/em>\u00bb. Certes, comme il le pr\u00e9cise ensuite\u00a0: \u00ab\u00a0<em>le futur pr\u00eatre doit \u00eatre identifi\u00e9 et reconnu par sa saintet\u00e9, son esprit de service et la qualit\u00e9 de sa relation pastorale, avant tout\u00a0<\/em>\u00bb. Mais pourquoi donc identifier soutane et personnage\u00a0?<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">La soutane en effet, marque l\u2019identit\u00e9 sacerdotale\u00a0: c\u2019est un habit qui exprime le renoncement et l\u2019humilit\u00e9, et qui permet \u00e0 celui qui le porte de se pr\u00e9server de la mondanit\u00e9 et de la familiarit\u00e9. En faire une sorte de parangon du cl\u00e9ricalisme, c\u2019est insulter \u00e0 tous les saints personnages qui ont vant\u00e9 cet habit, et qui l\u2019ont port\u00e9. Mais de cela, l\u2019\u00e9v\u00eaque de Toulouse n\u2019a cure.<\/span><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">L\u2019habit ne fait pas le moine, ni le clerc, ni le s\u00e9minariste, mais il marque l\u2019attachement et la cons\u00e9cration \u00e0 une vocation, et il rappelle constamment, au s\u00e9minariste ou au pr\u00eatre, comme aux fid\u00e8les, la mission d\u2019\u00e9dification et de sanctification dont il est investi.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/section>\n<div id=\"attachment_47289\" style=\"width: 337px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-47289\" class=\"wp-image-47289 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/61XzfGPZmfL-1._AC_UY436_QL65_.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"327\" height=\"436\" srcset=\"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/61XzfGPZmfL-1._AC_UY436_QL65_.jpg 327w, https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/61XzfGPZmfL-1._AC_UY436_QL65_-225x300.jpg 225w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 327px) 100vw, 327px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-47289\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #0000ff;\">https:\/\/www.amazon.fr\/Tronson-lesprit-Jean-Jacques-Introduction-g\u00e9n\u00e9rale\/dp\/B001BO4PL4\/ref=sr_1_10?qid=1654241959&amp;refinements=p_27%3AJean+Tronson&amp;s=books&amp;sr=1-10<\/span><\/p><\/div>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">Citons M. Tronson *dans le <em>Trait\u00e9<\/em><\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"><em> des saint Ordres<\/em>\u00a0:<em> \u00ab\u00a0Le clerc rev\u00eatu<\/em><\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"><em> de la soutane noire exprime la<\/em><\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"><em> disposition de son esprit, et le d\u00e9sir<\/em><\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"><em> qu\u2019il a de vivre humili\u00e9 [= dans<\/em><\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"><em> l\u2019humilit\u00e9] toute sa vie, et mortifi\u00e9<\/em><\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"><em> en tout lui-m\u00eame depuis les pieds<\/em><\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"><em> jusqu\u2019\u00e0 la t\u00eate.\u00a0<\/em>\u00bb Cela, c\u2019est l\u2019esprit<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> de l\u2019Eglise, souvent rappel\u00e9 par<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> les papes, et rappel\u00e9 dans le<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section class=\"content-page__text\"><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\"> droit canon.<\/span><span style=\"color: #339966; font-size: 14pt;\">Le nouveau le fait \u00e9galement &#8211; comme le souligne Mgr de Kerimel &#8211; mais puisque la cl\u00e9ricature ne commence qu\u2019au diaconat &#8211; il ne doit \u00eatre port\u00e9 qu\u2019apr\u00e8s la r\u00e9ception de cet ordre. Ce qui souligne la d\u00e9sacralisation du sacerdoce &#8211; et par cons\u00e9quent de la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 &#8211; v\u00e9hicul\u00e9e par le nouvel esprit postconciliaire. Que personne ne s\u2019\u00e9tonne ensuite des cons\u00e9quences.<\/span><\/section>\n<section><\/section>\n<section>*<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"> https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Louis_Tronson<\/span><\/section>\n<div class=\"content-page__text content-page__text--footer\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #800080; font-size: 14pt;\">(Sources\u00a0: MPI\/Tronson \u2013 FSSPX.Actualit\u00e9s)<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"content-page__date\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt; color: #ff6600;\">03 JUIN, 2022<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"content-page__source\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"color: #ff6600;\"><span class=\"field-label\">PROVENANCE: <\/span>FSSPX.NEWS<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #800080;\"><strong>NDLRB<\/strong>. nous\u00a0 vous prions de\u00a0 bien vouloir excuser la mise en page un peu chaloup\u00e9e de ce post mais malgr\u00e9 nos nombreuses tentatives, il ne nous a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 possible faire mieux <\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #800080;\">Mais l&#8217;essentiel n&#8217;est-il pas plut\u00f4t dans le fond que dans la forme ?<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #800080;\"><strong>A.T.<\/strong><\/span><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>D\u00e9cid\u00e9ment, il semble que L\u00e9on Gambetta soit devenu le ma\u00eetre \u00e0 penser d\u2019une partie de la hi\u00e9rarchie catholique, et d\u2019une bonne partie du clerg\u00e9 fran\u00e7ais, car la lettre adress\u00e9e par&#8230; <a href=\"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/2022\/06\/04\/leveque-de-toulouse-interdit-a-ses-seminaristes-de-porter-la-soutane\/\">Cliquez pour lire davantage &raquo;<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[30912],"tags":[7600,9341,31885,31882,31886,31883,30972,31887],"class_list":["post-47284","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-action-catholique","tag-fraternite-saint-pie-x","tag-http-fr-wikipedia-org","tag-https-www-laliberte-ch","tag-leon-gambetta-1838-1882","tag-louis-tronson-1622-1700","tag-mgr-de-kerimel-1953","tag-port-de-la-soutane","tag-seminariste"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47284","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=47284"}],"version-history":[{"count":14,"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47284\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":47308,"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47284\/revisions\/47308"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=47284"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=47284"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=47284"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}