{"id":62005,"date":"2024-10-17T15:00:44","date_gmt":"2024-10-17T13:00:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/?p=62005"},"modified":"2024-10-16T20:42:12","modified_gmt":"2024-10-16T18:42:12","slug":"du-choix-comme-armoiries-de-la-charte-de-fontevrault-des-armoiries-apocryphes-de-labbesse-de-labbaye-royale-de-fontevraud-mathilde-danjou","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/2024\/10\/17\/du-choix-comme-armoiries-de-la-charte-de-fontevrault-des-armoiries-apocryphes-de-labbesse-de-labbaye-royale-de-fontevraud-mathilde-danjou\/","title":{"rendered":"Du choix comme armoiries de la Charte de Fontevrault des  armoiries apocryphes de l&#8217;Abbesse de l&#8217;Abbaye royale de Fontevraud Mathilde d&#8217;Anjou."},"content":{"rendered":"<header><\/header>\n<header><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/header>\n<header class=\"comment-meta comment-author vcard\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><cite><b class=\"fn\"><a class=\"url\" href=\"https:\/\/conseildansesperanceduroi.wordpress.com\/\" rel=\"ugc external nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-62006 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Armoiries-Charte.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"330\" height=\"319\" \/><\/a><\/b><\/cite><\/span><\/header>\n<header><\/header>\n<header><\/header>\n<header><\/header>\n<header><\/header>\n<header><\/header>\n<header><strong><em><a href=\"https:\/\/conseildansesperanceduroi.wordpress.com\/\">Conseil dans l&#8217;Esp\u00e9rance du Roi \u00a0<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/2024\/05\/19\/56517\/#comment-82372\">24 mai 2024 at 10h09<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/header>\n<header><\/header>\n<header><\/header>\n<header><\/header>\n<header><\/header>\n<header><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #339966;\">Objection, Votre Honneur. <\/span><\/header>\n<header><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #339966;\">\u00a0 \u00a0<\/span><\/header>\n<header><\/header>\n<header><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #339966;\">\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0Abbesse de Fontevrault en 1149, <strong>Mathilde d\u2019Anjou NE PORTAIT AUCUNE ARMOIRIE.<\/strong> Rappelons que Geoffroy Plantagenet auquel on attribue les fameuses \u201cpremi\u00e8res armoiries\u201d, d\u2019azur \u00e0 six lionceaux d\u2019or, en \u00e9tait lui-m\u00eame d\u00e9muni \u00e0 la m\u00eame date (la plaque \u00e9maill\u00e9e du Mans est bien post\u00e9rieure \u2013 une cinquantaine d\u2019ann\u00e9es plus tard\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/\u00c9mail_Plantagen\u00eat.\"> https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/\u00c9mail_Plantagen\u00eat.<\/a>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0Morte en 1155 on a du mal a imaginer la deuxi\u00e8me abbesse de Fontevrault portant ce rais d\u2019escarboucle entre 1149 et 1155\u2026 En r\u00e9alit\u00e9 il ne s\u2019agit probablement que d\u2019armoiries apocryphes pour la rattacher \u00e0 la deuxi\u00e8me maison d\u2019Anjou.<\/span><\/header>\n<header><\/header>\n<header><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #ff6600;\">\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0<\/span><\/header>\n<header><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #ff6600;\">\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 Jean-Yves Pons<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #339966;\">\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #008000;\">\u00a0 \u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #008000;\">\u00a0 \u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #008000;\">\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 Nous avions\u00a0 -et avons-\u00a0 \u00a0pris\u00a0 bonne note des \u00e9rudites remarques\u00a0 de notre talentueux\u00a0 ami Jean-Yves Pons et nous le remercions \u00e0 nouveau de nous les avoir fait parvenir.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #008000;\">\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0Pour\u00a0 autant\u00a0 <strong>si nous\u00a0 avions maintenu cette attribution\u00a0 de l&#8217;escarboucle pour les armoiries de la Charte-\u00a0 en en enlevant le chef de gueules et en y ajoutant la croix\u00a0 (<\/strong>dessin de notre Aum\u00f4nier g\u00e9n\u00e9ral . M. l&#8217;Abb\u00e9 de Durat ) <strong>c&#8217;est\u00a0 \u00a0exclusivement pour des raisons politiques au noble sens du terme.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #008000;\">\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 Nous avons en effet\u00a0 consid\u00e9r\u00e9 qu&#8217;il \u00e9tait possible de\u00a0 consid\u00e9rer\u00a0 que\u00a0 chacun des sceptres fleurdelys\u00e9s ( ou rais d&#8217;escarboucle) de cet embl\u00eame\u00a0 figurait assez\u00a0 bien la diversit\u00e9 des mouvements royalistes et que parall\u00e9lement ces rais formaient une roue. Et l&#8217;on sait que l&#8217;invention de la\u00a0 roue (3500 av. J.C) fut\u00a0 b\u00e9n\u00e9fique \u00e0 l&#8217;essor\u00a0 des civilisations\u00a0 qui en b\u00e9n\u00e9fici\u00e8rent .\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #008000;\">\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0Parions\u00a0 qu&#8217; \u00e0 partir du moment\u00a0 o\u00f9 les mouvements royalistes\u00a0 sauront se\u00a0 coordonner\u00a0 sur un projet\u00a0 commun ( respect\u00a0 de la Charte de Fontevrault) la marche\u00a0 du retour\u00a0 du roi vers Reims en sera facilit\u00e9e d&#8217;autant .<\/span><\/p>\n<\/header>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; color: #0000ff;\">https:\/\/fr.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Liste_des_abbesses_de_Fontevraud<\/span><\/p>\n<section class=\"comment-content comment\">\n<div style=\"width: 2646px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dictionnaireordremonastiquedefontevraud.wordpress.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/capture-decc81cran-2021-07-04-acc80-08.48.08.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"2636\" height=\"1482\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\"><a href=\"https:\/\/dictionnaireordremonastiquedefontevraud.wordpress.com\/2021\/07\/04\/armoiries-de-28-abbesses-de-lordre-royal-de-fontevraud-o-r-f\/\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">https:\/\/dictionnaireordremonastiquedefontevraud.wordpress.com\/2021\/07\/04\/armoiries-de-28-abbesses-de-lordre-royal-de-fontevraud-o-r-f\/<\/span><\/a><\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/section>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 Conseil dans l&#8217;Esp\u00e9rance du Roi \u00a024 mai 2024 at 10h09 Objection, Votre Honneur. \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0Abbesse de Fontevrault en 1149, Mathilde d\u2019Anjou NE PORTAIT AUCUNE ARMOIRIE&#8230;. <a href=\"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/2024\/10\/17\/du-choix-comme-armoiries-de-la-charte-de-fontevrault-des-armoiries-apocryphes-de-labbesse-de-labbaye-royale-de-fontevraud-mathilde-danjou\/\">Cliquez pour lire davantage &raquo;<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[30913,5],"tags":[34763,1115,31036,6487,33506,10435,33499,34762],"class_list":["post-62005","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-action-providentialiste","category-archives-de-la-charte-de-fontevrault","tag-abbesses-de-lordre-de-fontevraud","tag-armoiries-de-la-charte-de-fontevrault","tag-armoiries-de-mathilde-danjou-abbesse-de-lordre-de-fontevraud","tag-encyclopedie-wikipedia","tag-escarboucle-fontevriste","tag-https-dictionnaireordremonastiquedefontevraud-wordpress-com","tag-jean-yves-pons-cja-fondateur-du-consel-dans-lesperance-du-roi","tag-mathilde-danjou-vers-1110-31-mai-1155"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/62005","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=62005"}],"version-history":[{"count":13,"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/62005\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":62024,"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/62005\/revisions\/62024"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=62005"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=62005"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/charte-fontevrault-providentialisme.fr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=62005"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}